In our first episode of 2017, host Raquel Willis and guest Jamie Necbitt Golden of Hood Feminism discuss Trump attacking John Lewis, Steve Harvey hating on Asian Men, the Black Church unlearning homophobia and celebrate Trap Music.
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Raquel: Welcome, welcome, welcome to the first episode of the BGD podcast of 2017! I am your host, Raquel Willis and as we’ve been doing for a couple of years now, continuing the fight, breaking down the world around you with a dope intersectional lens. So today we have a full lineup for you, we’re going to jump right into Donald Trump coming for a Civil Rights icon John Lewis, Steve Harvey has been on some messiness already. We’ll have a conversation about the death of Eddie Long, Kim Burrell, and homophobia in the black church. So here’s our first guest, a friend of the show. I’m a huge fan, Jamie Nesbitt Golden, who is a journalist, writer, editor at hoodfeminism.com and also co-host of her own podcast with the Nerdgasm Noir Network. So welcome Jamie, also known as @thewayoftheid on Twitter. I’m so glad you’re here.
Jamie: Thank you for having me! This is awesome! I’ve been a big fan of Black Girl Dangerous for a long time, so it’s always a treat to come on.
Raquel: Awesome! How are you surviving this fine inauguration week? [laughs]
Jamie: I remember spending election night in disbelief and the day after in disbelief and I still think I’m in utter disbelief of what’s happening to our country so, yeah it’s kind of between denial and disbelief.
Raquel: That is very real. I think all of us are feeling so many different emotions and really the election is still hanging over our heads like a dark cloud and you know what’s not making it any better? The fact that our President-elect continues to cause controversy. This week we heard from Representative John Lewis, who is an amazing civil rights icon and leader known for his work with SNCC, also known for his work during Selma and around voting rights and so, he did an interview with Meet The Press and basically the sound bite from him was that he thinks that the Russians participated in helping Donald Trump get elected, helped destroy the candidacy of Hillary Clinton, and, in general, he thinks that Donald Trump is an illegitimate president and so going from that, all of us are – I won’t say all of us – but a lot of us are thinking the same thing and of course Trump responded. Now I didn’t expect him to go for the jugular with this icon because we already know that Trump and people of color don’t really mesh well in general ,but Trump went on to basically berate John Lewis on Twitter, talking about him not really doing much for his community and how he needs to spend more time on fixing and helping his district, which is in horrible shape and falling apart, not to mention dot dot dot, he had to do a two-tweet combo and he said, rather than falsely complaining about the election results John Louis is all talk, talk, talk, no action or results. Sad! [laughs] Okay, so what was your reaction to this ridiculousness?
Jamie: I didn’t think that he was going to respond John Lewis’s interview. I didn’t, it was actually the one time I thought that maybe he would take a day off from being a thin-skinned and weak, but apparently not because petty never takes a day off with his administration. So we have to suffer with him and his weird stream of consciousness tweets at like 3 AM in the morning. There’s so many emotions because as we speak more people are coming out against John Lewis for saying what he said. We have a guy best known for bringing Deuce Bigalo: Male Gigolo to the masses 20 years ago imporing John Lewis to- you know, be like MLK and bridge the gap and then we have the Governor for Maine, you know, basically calling John Lewis a racist and telling him he should think Abe Lincoln and again this is all very surreal because you know, I’m not saying that the last eight years racists have been hiding under covers, or, you know, like hiding in the darkness but now we have, you know, it feels like we’ve sort of ushered in this new age of incivility and utter f-ing lies. Now it’s okay to not only you know distort the truth and ignore it, it’s okay to denigrate people like John Lewis. Living legends. People who have spent their entire lives fighting for equal rights for black folk and I’m just sort of taken aback by it and I wish I could say that you know that it’s going to get better, that this will be- you know, this is probably like the lowest we’ll see our President-elect go but I don’t think so. I think this is just the beginning of what’s going to be a really taxing 4 years. I can’t really put into words how afraid I am because of the fact that people are sort of saying these things with ease and how easily the media seems to laugh it up without offering any analysis of what they say or, you know, any push back to what they’re saying really. We’re seeing more, you know, publications- more niche publications or POC-owned publications to sort of push back. The mainstream media sort of like, “We’re too focused on, you know, taking whatever he tweets and turning it into, you know, a day long segment on MSNBC or CNN”. So like we’re so focused on the outrageous things that he says and then we’re not, you know, really getting to the heart of the issue which is illegitimate presidency. You know, Putin the back pocket, all of these things that have a real dangerous effect. So I’m sorry, long story short I’m just- I’m, you know, like I am- I’m beyond words like every time I think that you know we’ve hit a new low, like America’s just like hold my beer because I’m going to show you how much lower we can go and it’s just, it’s really scary for me.
Raquel: Exactly you know, I- and the funny thing about this is that I am realizing how boring politics really was before because I have never been so clued and invested in learning and I’m hoping that this moment with this President-elect, soon to be President, is having a same effect on everyone else, you know. Hopefully people are getting more involved and really learning about what’s going on in politics in their country, what decisions are being made and who is making these decisions and so with the Donald Trump situation, I would love for us to not have to come in here everything single podcast on some mess that he has done but he continues to raise, or I guess you could say, lower the bar on how ridiculous he can go and the fact that he pulled this stunt with John Lewis during MLK weekend, there’s no shame to what is going on with him. I mean, if you really wanted to send a message that “Oh ok well, I’m at least somewhat interested in helping your community” at least not attack our living legends, our living civil rights leaders, documented, covered in movies, has done numerous speeches about the civil rights movement and his involvement. it just makes no sense and so Trump is not done. So he’s come back today still talking about John Lewis and tweeting about the fact that John Lewis said he would not be at the inauguration and the thing is that John Louis is in very good company because plenty of people will not be at that damn inauguration. I think more than 50 Democratic Congressmembers said they will not be there. Jennifer Holliday of Dream Girls fame pulled out of doing a performance at the inauguration along with so many other people who said that they would never perform in tandem with this incoming inauguration and then there’s also going to be a Peace Ball the night before that- big names like Solange and Eve Ensler and all of these high-profile folks are gathering for an anti-inauguration ball. basically.
Jamie: Yeah, no! So yeah I found that really, really interesting that they couldn’t even get a Bruce Springsteen cover band to stick to signing onto this but for me seeing, you know, the dozens of Congresspeople and Senators were dropping out, it was great in a sense. What I keep noticing though is the glaring lack of white women, white female politicians, who have not decided to go to the inauguration of the last time I- at last count I think there were three white women who have decided to stay home and it sort of irks me because I think- because, of course, there are about six or seven women of color who have signed on to stay home on Friday compared to the three white- the two white- well, I think it’s three now, three white women I’ve seen also bow out and of course you have a few white guys, but it’s predominantly again people of color who are sort of leading this charge to say F you to Donald Trump and again it always rests on us to be for the voice of reason, for the voice of logic when it comes to this. I think it will really, really fascinating to see what happens between now and Friday.
Raquel: In line with that thinking of people who have not drawn a line in the sand,n Steve Harvey who, over the last few weeks, have basically received a lot of Ls. One of them is he did meet with Donald Trump a few days ago, and I come to expect this kind of problematic behavior from Steve Harvey, this kind of performative “I’m one of the good negros” tap dance that he does and so he met with Donald Trump and said our President Obama asked that all of us sit down and talk to one another in order to move our country forward, he wrote. The transition teams on both sides asked me to meet and I’m glad I did and so this is basically, you know, Steve Harvey has a long history of, kind of, trying to take the olive branch on behalf of the black community. I think back to a few years ago, I think it was 2014, when Paula Deen had that controversy, Paula Deen the southern chef. Basically Steve Harvey was one of the first people to reach out to her and basically forgive her for using the n-word and being caught basically using the n-word and then offered to recruit her to teach at his mentoring program for young men and so these kind of bizarre decisions that he makes are just kind of out of line, I guess, because it also is that he does it in the name of speaking for the entire black community. And so that has happened and also he had a controversy where he basically said some disparaging comments about Asian men and so on January 6- January 6th episode of his show he basically mocked a 2002 book that was titled “How to Date a White Woman: A Practical Guide for Asian Men”, and basically he joked about the fact that, why would anyone be attracted to Asian men?
Jamie: Wow I’d heard that there had been something that, you know, that he had said something really messed up about Asian men but I didn’t know it was that. This might be an unpopular opinion but Steve Harvey was never that funny to begin with. Because his movies, he was the weakest dude in the Kings of Comedy and it’s only you know in the wake of, you know, like certain other members of the Kings, you know, dying off or becoming irrelevant – [cough] D.L. Hughley – that you know by luck of good fortune or, you know, luck of more talented people sort of falling by the wayside, we have been left with Steve Harvey and Steve, God bless him, is really – can I curse?
Raquel: Go right ahead, go right ahead.
Jamie: Oh my god, he’s a fucking imbecile! Everything he says is deeply rooted in either misogyny or sexism. He clearly does not give a fuck about women and I’m not really sure he gives a fuck about black people and what from what I’ve heard about, you know, him getting a call to meet with Donald Trump. I would think it wasn’t from Trump directly, it was from one of Trumps’ aides who made the call and, you know, asked, you know, him to come by. I don’t think Donald Trump even knew what was happening until, you know, Steve Harvey showed up at door and you know maybe he feels like having that access to the new President-elect will somehow raise his profile. I feel like this- this whole- this alliance is very self-serving and not at all, you know, for the betterment of the black community. He’s just always been a charlatan, he will always be a charlatan and this is going to be his new gig.
Raquel: And the thing about Steve Harvey is, I would definitely call him a money misogynist. He has really figured out a way to reap the most benefit from misogyny. I mean, you think about his history of basically building this persona of being a comedian but also being this, like, a go-to man for black women and so he’s written these books about dating and love and how women should act in order to attract a certain man, ostensibly one like him, which like- we really gotta work on lifting up the standards of our sisters [laughs] but the thing about it is that how we empower him and when I say we, I don’t mean us, Jamie, because I don’t think that we empower him but I think we as black women see a successful black man in general and before we do the hard work of critiquing before they have this meteoric success, they get there and then and then we’re like, oh, actually I was blinded by the fact that this is fam and I wanted to support him and now he’s in this position with this platform and these really ridiculous problematic things that he’s been saying all along and Steve Harvey has capitalized on that and continues to jump into these these controversial moments to reap those benefits and it’s annoying and so going back to him disparaging Asian men, I’m sure he probably has this analysis, that because he is a black man, he is on the bottom of the totem pole and so he can joke about Asian men and the thing is that there have been studies, I think, there’s like an OKCupid study based on some of the users several years ago and basically they were saying the two demographics that are often considered the least desirable are black women and Asian men and so it’s really annoying and I’m glad that Eddie Huang, and I hope I’m pronouncing his last name correctly, wrote this Op-Ed for the New York Times in response to what Steve Harvey said and basically, you know, he said that Harvey’s comments are upsetting but he also said that, you know, said a lot about the positionality of Steve Harvey and how he speaks openly about issues facing the black community, is a man of God, has a huge platform to speak from but unfortunately he’s also the type of guy who orders champagne for himself and a cheaper alternative for everyone else and so, for his own personal profit, he’s willing to perpetuate the de-emasculation of Asian men, regardless of how hypocritical it is and I completely, completely agree and the last thing I want to say is that, you know, I don’t want to knock this book, really, called “How to Date a White Woman: A Practical Guide for Asian Men”, which kind of catapulted but whole entire conversation, but you know – and I haven’t read the book – so I’m going to go off of the very altruistic assumption that you know the book is talking about the complexities of interracial dating but let’s not continue to also put white women on a pedestal, right. So if we’re going to talk about how Asian men are devalued in our society, let’s also decolonize these ideas that white women are the pinnacle and Asian men should be going after them at a higher rate than any other type of woman.
Jamie: I completely agree with that and that was the one thing that I just found bizarre. That, you know, Steve didn’t go after the idea that, you know, white women are the ultimate get in terms of love and romance but that, you know, we’re going to poke fun at Asian men and ask why, you know, people would ever find them attractive but Steve also knows, I think, who signs his checks and who his audience is, so I guess maybe, you know, he wasn’t going to go there or maybe that was just, you know, he didn’t have the range for that [laughs] and, to be fair, he probably doesn’t have the range for a lot of things. So, you know, when it comes to going for the easy joke, you know, that’s what he’s good at, that’s what he does but I do find it fascinating that there’s a book on how to date a white woman and that nobody saw anything wrong with this. I don’t know. I feel like Steve Harvey was always going to have, you know, this platform to say the most ridiculous things and people will take it as the gospel because of who he is and what he’s accomplished.
Raquel: Steve Harvey, why are you so fake though? Why? And so going off of people thinking that Steve Harvey is the gospel, recently Bishop Eddie Long passed and that was a good segue, by the way, so please I need a snap or something. [laughs]
Jamie: I got it! [laughs]
Raquel: Thank you! [laughs] But yeah, so in all seriousness Eddie Long died. He was the megachurch pastor of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church and he died at age 63, just a few days ago, and so he really rose to fame. His church at its peak had 25,000 members and what really kind of put him in the spotlight was this anti-gay march that he led in the streets of Atlanta and 2004 and so, I lived in Atlanta for two years and I will let you know, Atlanta is very heavy with the black LGBTQ population. It’s one of one of the reasons I miss it a lot. But he led this march and really was trying to share a statement that, you know, homosexuality was not okay and that same-sex marriage should not be a thing. This is all the way back in 2004 so it hadn’t even really become as huge as it later became and, of course, marriage equality is now the law of the land but basically at some point after he had that march against same-sex marriage and denounced homosexuality, a lawsuit was filed by four young men who basically were a part of his congregation and they said that he pressured them into sexual relationships and so there’s this huge, unfolding controversy around Eddie Long and the hypocrisy of him leading these efforts against homosexuality and things like affect marriage and being accused of basically violating these young men and so we’re gonna switch really quickly because this is very much connected to a larger conversation right now because a few weeks ago gospel singer Kim Burrell, who has a song on the amazing film Hidden Figures, which has been number two for two or number one for two weeks at the box office, which is amazing and there’s this one headline about basically this story about black woman brilliance being the pinnacle and Star Wars coming at number two so that was a cute headline but anyway Kim Burrell sang this song, she was on the- basically the press junket for the film because of the song, and a video was secretly taken of her giving testimony at a church saying basically to every person that is dealing with the homosexual spirit that has it, “I love you because God loves you but God hates the sin in you and me and anything that is against the nature of God” and she was also set to perform on the Ellen Degeneres Show that Thursday of the same week basically that was cancelled. Pharrell Williams who worked on the soundtrack for Hidden Figures, Janelle Monae who stars in the show and many others came out against what she was saying and in favor of LGBTQ folks and so there’s been a whole backlash. But this kind of hypocrisy of basically relishing in blackness but then also demonizing certain forms of blackness and LGBTQ folks is a conversation that really needs to be had and so we’re going to spend a few minutes on it but this will not be an exhaustive effort at all. So Jamie, do you have any thoughts around all of this controversy right now?
Jamie: It’s not surprising or shocking that a lot of the conversation I’ve seen about Eddie Long is about having respect for the dead and not really focused on what he did while he was alive. Those boys that he molested, their lives are forever changed. There’s no getting beyond that, as a survivor of sexual abuse myself. I will tell you there’s no- there’s never any getting over that. And that’s not something that you can overlook, either. In Eddie Long’s case we have a storied history of, you know, homophobia. And you know he actively worked with, you know, the Bush administration to, you know, to stymie the Equal Marriage Act. Like we have had our hands in some shit for a while and then he dies and then we’re supposed to forget that because, you know, he ran a church for a number of years and I can’t be bothered to give a fuck. I am an atheist and I have been an atheist for a few years and it took me awhile to get here and I do not begrudge anybody else their beliefs, I believe everybody is entitled to to their faith. I just have a problem when we use that the shield to hurt others and I feel like the black church is so- it’s kind of amazing I didn’t run the black church I have friends who did and I would go to church with them and you knew folks who- you knew there were queer folks in the congregation, you knew there were queer folks in the choir, and while these folks were treated with respect for the most part, they were still seen as sinful and bad because of who they chose to love, how they chose to live, and it didn’t really ever make sense to me, which is another reason why I sort of shied away from looking towards religion for, you know, for fulfillment or spiritual fulfillment. So we’ve always had- you know the black church has always had this sort of don’t ask, don’t tell relationship when it comes to queer folks and it’s never been for the benefit of either group and so when someone like Eddie Long comes along and ruins the lives of men, boys and men, who you know- like I said it’s really hard for me to even talk about this because I feel like so many folks are sort of missing the point and sort of, really downplaying the severity of Eddie Long’s actions and of what Kim Burrell was saying as well, because a lot of people were sort of caping for her, “Well, you know you have to understand. You know it’s just the way that you were raised! It’s just the way that you were brought up!” At some point, you have to sort of stop using that as an excuse. You have to sort of analyze or you know look beyond what your being taught in church every Sunday and see that this is, you know, how you up and you know this is just the way you were taught can be long and has been wrong. I will tell a very quick story, my mother got baptized in her sixties and from that point on, until she passed, she was adamant about me going to church with her. Like, you have to get saved blah blah blah. Just come to church, just try it. And I loved the fact that she was excited about finding her faith, I thought that was great that but I just could not just get on this train. The one time I know I acquiesced, I went to the service with her and her pastor, I can’t really remember what the sermon was, but everything was, you know, like I was really feeling it until you know dude said something about, you know, homosexuality being a sin and I was just like, okay stepping out now and I had to make the conscious decision to, sort of, like you know to not opt in and I think that’s what a lot of us should be doing. I feel like a lot of us should be analyzing what’s being told us every Sunday at 10 AM in terms of LGBTQ people and the message that they are somehow less than because of who they are. But until we’re really, really ready to have that hard ass conversation, nothing is going to change. We’re still going to, you know, try to find the logic in Kim Burrell’s statement. We’re still going to tell people, you know, yeah well Eddie Long did that but he’s not really that bad, you know. When Eddie Long has a legacy of being an awful fucking person and I’m sorry to say that but it’s true but we have to, you know, the black church has to have that day of reckoning in which, you know, we have to look at it- at black love in all forms and through be accepting of black love in all forms.
Raquel: There are so many thoughts racing through my head definitely as a black queer trans woman. I wasn’t raised in the black church either. I was actually raised in the Catholic Church. So my mom and dad were Catholic, I was raised and confirmed and all that stuff. Went through the whole becoming an adult in the Catholic Church process and I do want to be clear that, of course, this isn’t just missing for the black church, right. Like, this is an issue in Christianity in general and I think, you know, some people see this as a you know you’re just attacking the black institution, you know, instead of all of these institutions and that’s not true, you know. The conversation is being had here because of the positionality, right, and so if you think about black LGBTQ folks, most of us are closer in proximity to the black church and so the damage that is done is most directly coming from that source and so the problem here when it comes to somebody like Eddie Long isn’t that he just, you know, said these really horrible things about gay people but that he actively fought against legislation to protect them. He actively fought against legislation that would see them as equal in the eyes of the law, right, beyond the church, you know. In the eyes of the law. And so that in itself is an affront to freedom of religion, if you want to talk about being a citizen, you want to talk about being a free American and the other thing though too is that I’ll be clear: when it comes to sexual abuse allegations, I’m more often than not gonna be on the side of the accuser because I know how our law enforcement system operates, our justice system, endquote, operates and how misogyny and heterosexism operates and so plenty of people are going to go to bat for the man when a woman is involved or go to bat for the person who claims to be a heterosexual pastor when it’s for- you know. And I do think it did come out that some of them were- are actually queer-identified, right, and some so there’s always this idea but there’s a conspiracy to bring down the heterosexual black man. I’m on the side of them because there’s a direct connection between disparaging comments about the LGBTQ community and just in general our mental health and well-being. So even if he did not commit these things that he’s been accused of, he has played a role in assaulting at the very least the psyche and mental health of black LGBTQ people in his congregations and that in itself is inexcusable, that in itself is something that is disgusting and we have to talk about this onslaught that these folks face and thinking about the children who- you know you can’t walk around saying that it’s not about you it’s about the sin because that’s not true. You are gay or bi or lesbian or trans or any kind of variation of queer, regardless of what acts people assume you have done. I was queer before I ever had sex. I was queer before I even knew what these words mean. I should not be attacked for the actions I guess I have done in the name of queerness and I should not be attacked for just simply existing and none of us should.
Jamie: Agreed, totally agreed. And again, knowing, you know- again as we see overt racism make its way back into mainstream, I also feel like we’re going to see a lot of pushback on queer folk from the administration as well and for some reason, I think people thought that just, you know, like Peter Thiel, who happens to be on Trump’s transition team and who is openly gay but he’s also the guy behind Hulk Hogan’s Gawker lawsuit and the reason why Gawker is no longer with us [laughs] but I feel like people look at the addition of Thiel on this transition team and they think well maybe he won’t be so hard on, you know, LGBTQ folks but I think we’re in for a brutal awakening with that considering who his VP is and Mike Pence, again has a horrid horrid on record of not only doing horrible things that are an affront to women’s rights but also to LGBTQ rights. So we’re going to see just how bad it gets, I think, in the next four years and all i can say really is that we have to fight it. We just we have to figure out a way to combat what’s coming ahead.
Raquel: Alright, welcome back! So we’re going to end on a high note! This is the Name That Bop segment. [laughs] Bop being a term that I love to use for songs that are just simply amazing and so in honor of trap hip-hop trinity Migos going number 1 with Bad and Boujee, which some people attribute to Donald Glover AKA Childish Gambino and his speech at the Golden Globes a few weeks ago, I have to give them a shout out because I’m from Georgia, live in ATL, love trap music but I’m basically going to quiz you, Jamie. [laughs]
Jamie: Oh God, I’m scared! [laughs] I’m a little old! I’m a little out of the demographic but I will do my best!
Raquel: Okay I wasn’t gonna say nothin’ but [laughs] but good luck!
Jamie: Thank you, thank you!
Raquel: Basically I’m going to read some lyrics from some very popular trap songs, obviously these aren’t the deep cuts. So for my trapl aficionados, don’t be angry at me. I had to make it somewhat easy in some way. So number one, here are the lyrics: Gettin’ so cold I’m not blinkin’, what in the world was I thinkin’, new day, new money to be made, there’s nothing to explain. And so this is multiple choice, so your options are – and this is the song title – Black Beatles by Rae Sremmurd, Panda by Desiigner, and Mercy by Kanye West and a bunch of other people.
Jamie: [laughs] Aha okay, I think I know this one.
Raquel: I tried to start off easy!
Jamie: I appreciate that because listen again I’m gonna go, though, I’m gonna go with Desiigner. I feel like this is a Desiigner lyric.
Raquel: Ohhhh! [buzzer sound] I’m sorry!
Jamie: Oh my God! What was it? Black Beatles?
Raquel: It was Black Beatles.
Jamie: Oh my God! Oh God! Okay!
Raquel: Quick note, Black Beatles actually was number one right before Bad and Boujee so Atlanta is killing the game right now at the top of Billboard, alright. Lyrics: My phantom sitting on sixes, no twenties in my denim, your Cutlass motor knocking because it is a lemon. And your options are Versace by Migos, Lemonade by Gucci Mane, not to be confused with Beyonce’s Lemonade, and Trap Queen by Fetty Wap.
Jamie: Okay, yeah. I said I have this one but I ain’t got it. I ain’t got it. So I’m just gonna guess cuz I think that’s cool. I’m going to say Versace.
Raquel: Ooh [buzzer sound] [laughs] Okay so this one was a deeper cut. So this is actually Lemonade by Gucci Mane
Jamie: Oh ok ok.
Raquel: And so for all the folks who are just now getting into trap, Gucci Mane is like one of the OGs, like, he’s been holding the trap game down before was like considered worthy of the number one spot on Billboard so I had to give a shout out to one of his, one of his big hits at least in Atlanta was Lemonade before he went to jail this very last time. [laughs] So we have two more rounds you have you have, you have two chances to redeem yourself.
Jamiie: Okay, alright.
Raquel: At least even out, even out. Okay so the lyrics: If you know me, know this ain’t my Feng Shui, certified everywhere, ain’t gotta bring my resume, talkin crazy I pull up andele, RIP to Nate Dogg I had to regulate. And so your choices are Guapa, Fight Night by Migos and No Hands by Waka Flocka
Jamie: Okay, okay. Okay, you know what. I’m gonna- I’m gonna- What was A?
Raquel: Guapa by Boaz van der Beatz.
Jamie: Okay I’m gonna go with A.
Raquel: The answer is actually Fight Night by Migos.
Jamie: Darn it! I’m never gonna get it! Oh, I’m so embarrassed! I went to my first trap karaoke event last year so some of that should have a sunk in. But I can’t- I’m just horrible at these. Okay, alright, so I’m showin’ my age here. Go ahead, hit me with the last one.
Raquel: It’s okay, it’s okay, we got one more. Raindrops, drop-tops, smoking on cookie in the hotbox. So your options are First Day Out Tha Feds by Gucci Mane, Jewels and Drugs by Lady Gaga, which is very interesting, and Bad and Boujee by Migos.
Jamie: Okay, all right. Oh God. If I get this one wrong, I’m gonna be be really embarrassed. Is it C?
Raquel: Okay. It’s C! You got it! Phew! All right. So Jamie, you did okay. [laughs]
Jamie: Haha that was very kind of you! I am officially the old broad at the club right now.
Raquel: I just can’t bring you to Atlanta, that’s all! [laughs] And so I want to thank you for being on the show and talking with me. I had an amazing time.
Jamie: Same here, thank you so much for inviting me! It was a blast. Would do again!
Raquel: Of course! Alright well I’m wishing you and everyone positive vibes as we get through the week. This has been the BGD Podcast, which is a production of Black Girl Dangerous Media. Check us out at BGDblog.org, catch us on twitter at @BGDblog. I’m Raquel Willis, thank you.